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Regular Meeting - January 19, 1987
A regular meeting of the City of Dublin Planning Commission was held on
January 19, 1987, in the Meeting Room, Dublin Library. The meeting was called
to order at 7:00 p.m. by Cm. Raley, Chairperson.
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ROLL CALL
PRESENT: Commissioners Barnes, Petty, Mack, and Raley, Laurence L. Tong,
Planning Director, and Kevin J. Gailey, Senior Planner. Cm. Burnham arrived
at approximately 7:10 p.m,
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PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG
Cm. Raley led the Commission, Staff, and those present in the pledge of
allegiance to the flag.
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ADDITIONS OR REVISIONS TO THE AGENDA
None.
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MINUTES OF PREVIOUS MEETING
On motion by Cm. Barnes, seconded by Cm. Mack, and by a unanimous vote
(Cm. Burnham absent), the minutes of January 5, 19$7, were approved as
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ORAL COMMIJNICATIONS
None.
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WRITTEN COMMUNICATIONS
Mr. Tong indicated that the Commissioners had received three action letters.
Cm. Raley advised that a letter had been distributed to the Commissioners ~rom
the Building Industry Association related to the proposed Fire Safe Roofing
Ordinance, and stated that it would be discussed during the public hearing.
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PUBLIC HEARINGS
SUBJECT: Fire Safe Roofing Ordinance: Proposed
Ordinance Amendment.
Cm. Raley opened the public hearing and called for the Staff Report. He
advised that the purpose of the meeting was to permit Staff and appropriate
industry representatives an opportunity to present the pros and cons of
adoption of the proposed Fire Safe Roofing Ordinance.
Mr. Gailey indicated that, at the direction of the City Council, at the
July 21, 1986, Planning Commission meeting discussion between Staff and the
Commission was held related to a proposed Fire Safe Roofing Ordinance. He
stated the public hearing had been continued to permit Staff an opportunity to
arrange to have the appropriate industry representatives attend a subsequent
Planning Commission meeting.
(Cm. Burnham arrived at approxmately 7:10 p.m.)
Mr. Gailey said at the July 21, 1986, Planning Commission meeting limited
citizen input had been received. He indicated that in the intervening period,
Staff contacted specific representatives from the Building and Fire Depart-
ments, the Red Cedar Shingle & Handsplit Shake Bureau, and the Fire Safe
Roofing Committee. He advised that in addition, a notice of the public
hearing was sent to the Building Industry Association (which prompted the
letter dated January 8, 1987, from the B.I.A. which was circulated at the
start of the Commission meeting).
Mr. Gailey advised that the public hearing was envisioned to be for the
purpose of information gathering, and that it was not anticipated that final
action would be taken, but that ultimately a recommendation by the Planning
Commission would be forwarded to the City Council.
Mr. Gailey reviewed the chronology of the events related to the proposed Fire
Safe Roofing Ordinance. He said the Draft Ordinance included three major
features, including: 1) requirement that new construction, or re-roafing, on
a Citywide basis would have to be Class C rated, at a minimum; 2) establishes
stricter roofing requirements for higher risk areas (an official map would be
maintained by the City and the DSRSD Fire Department to facilitate this
requirement, and areas such as those on the extreme western and eastern sides
of the City would be impacted); and 3) modifies the building permit process ta
provide for additional building inspections for re-roofing projects.
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Mr. Gailey advised that the January 19, 1987, Staff Report included a summary
of major points raised when a proposed Fire Safe Roofing Ordinance was
considered by other jurisdictions. He stated that the City of Dublin is the
fourth Valley community to consider adoption of such an Ordinance.
Mr. Gailey summarized bxiefly the points which had arisen when other
jurisdictions had considered adoption of a Fire Safe Roofing Ordinance,
including the costs to homeowners/developers, the appearance of new fire safe
roofs as related to existing roofs, the point of origin of residential fires,
the appropriateness of government imposition on the community of large costs
involved in re-roofing homes to alleviate costs in response to a small number
of fires, and whether or not insurance costs would be impactetl by the
impositian of a Fire Safe Roofing Ordinance.
Mr. Gailey reviewed the contents of the January 19, 1987, Staff Report. He
indicated that Attachment #1 contained the most comprehensive summary of
issues, and indicated it had been eompiled by the San Ramon Valley Fire
Protection District.
Mr. Gailey requested that the Planning Commission give direction to Staff, or
others present, and determine what additional materials may be necessary for
their consideration of the proposed Ordinance. He summarized the letter from
the Building Industry Association dated January 8, 1987. He indicated that
Vic Taugher - City of Dublin Building Official, Tom Hathcox - DSRSD Fire
Department, Harry Abney - Red Cedar Shingle & Handsplit Shake Bureau, and
Robert Burns - Fire Safe Roofing Committee were present to address the
Commission and answer questions.
Tom Hathcox, Fire Marshall - DSRSD Fire Department, advised the Comrnission
that during the past 20 years he had supported use of fire retardant roofing
materials. He indicated that 18~ of the fires in the City of Dublin (over the
previous three years) had either started on the roof or had spread to the roof
from another hostile fire. He displayed a map which indicated the location of
roofs which have fire retardant roofing, as well as roofs which do not. He
indicated that approximately 2,300 (or 51~) homes within the City of Dublin
have combustible roofing, while approximately 2,200 have non-combustible
roofing. He stated that he was concerned with growth to the western side of
the City. He said the City had received a copy of a letter from the State of
California, Department of Forestry, which indicated that in the past they have
not performed any type of weed abatement or cleared a fire break in that area
and advising that they would not be doing so in the future. Mr. Hathcox said
he was very concerned about the new houses being constructed adjacent to
canyons. He advised that there is a very dense popu~ation in the flatland
areas of the City, and that the houses in those areas will soon be in need of
re-roofing.
Mr. Hathcox indicated that with the use of alternate types of heating
increasing, such as wood stoves and fireplace inserts, there could be an
increase in the number of roof fires.
In response to a question about the availability to secure earthquake
insurance for homes with tile roofs, Mr. Hathcox said the City of Livermore
had considered this issue, which had prompted Mr. Hathcox to question both of
his insurance agents; each one indicated that they had not heard that the
different types of roofing might impact the ability to obtain earthquake ~
insurance.
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Mr. Hathcox referred to a recent $105,000 house fire in the City of Pleasanton
which started on top of the roof from a ehimney spark. He addressed the issue
of the preference for shake roofing due to its ventilation characteristics.
He said that for roofing other than shake, by the time fire had burned through
the ceiling sheet rock, it would be impossible for occupants to be removed
from the building. He indicated that fire fighters would prefer ventilating
themselves in the process of fighting the fire.
In response to an inquiry by Cm. Raley, Mr. Hathcox advised that in the Gity
of Dublin approximately 17~ of the 18$ percent of roof-oriented fires for the
previous three years had actually begun on the roof. Cm. Raley asked how many
of those fires were caused by faulty chimneys or lack of spark arrestors.
Mr. Hathcox estimated that approximately 50~ of roof fires were caused by
spark arrestors which have not been maintained praperly or were missing.
Mr. Taugher, City Building Official, said an approved fire arrestor would be a
screen with 1/4" mesh and may either have a roof covering it, or may fit into
the flue or protrude above the chimney. He concurred with a statement by
Mr. Hathcox that the difficulties with spark arrestors were related to their
blockage by soot.
Mr. Taugher indicated that the January 19, 1987, Staff Report contained his
concerns related to the proposed Ordinance. He stated that although he did
not have difficutly with requiring new housing developments to utilize fire
retardant roofing materials, he was concerned whether owners of older homes
should be mandated to upgrade when they re-roofed. He referred to structural
design problems which could arise if heavier roofing materials, such as tile,
were used in place of wood shake roofing materials. He said he did nat think
spark arrestors were the solution to the problem that exist, noting that they
are required on ne~ houses, but not on older ones {when they re-raof).
In response to an inquiry by Cm. Burnham, Mr. Taugher advised that the
Building Code requires smoke detectors. He also advised that he thought
mandating the use of spark arrestors would be a viable item to include in the
proposed Ordinance.
Cm. Barnes expressed a desire to provide for the education of the community on
the care of spark arrestors. Mr. Taugher noted that it might be more
effective to educate the community not to burn cardboard boxes or other
similar items.
Cm. Burnham inquired about the possibility of fireproofing the roofing or
sheetrock itself, rather than requiring fire retardant roofing materials.
Mr. Taugher referred to alternatives to fire retardant raofing and reviewed
the definition of Class A, B, or C rating, as indicated in the Building Code.
He spoke about a"special purpose" roof which permits use of wood shakes or
wood shingles when used above a layer of gypsum wall board beneath it. He
said this would not prevent the wooden roof materials from burning, but would
slow or prevent burning through to the sheetrock.
Mr. Hathcox stated that a large amount of damage associated with roof fires is
water damage. He said the amount of damage on houses with "special purpose"
roofs would be less when compared to damage where other types of roofs were in
place.
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Cm. Raley interjected that he had determined that as a result of being a
licensed forester, it would be a potential conflict of interest for him to
participate in the discussion related to the proposed Fire Safe Roofing
Ordinance. He left the meeting and Vice Chairperson Barnes chaired the
remainder of the meeting.
Robert Burns, stated that he was President of the Fire Protection Consulting
Firm/Fire Loss Management Services and Representative for the Committee for
Fire Safe Roofing. He indicated that the bulk of his assignments were for
long range fire service planning for cities and counties. He said he had been
involved in compiling the studies for Contra Costa County, and for the Cities
of Livermore and Pleasanton. He advised that nationally 80~ of the lives lost
in fires occur in single family dwellings. He spoke about the density in
northern California which exceeds that of the hills of Los Angeles. He
referred to a fire in Los Altos in 1985 which dropped sparks in Mt. View,
seven miles from the location of the fire. He discussed the number of fire
fighters required to handle a two-house fire, and said that the Cities could
not economically be equipped to handle a three-, four- or five-house fire. He
stated that fire retardant roofing would contain fires, keeping them isolated
to one or two houses until adequate resources and fire fighters were able to
arrive at the site of the fire.
Mr. Burns advised that in southern California approximately 150 cities have
adopted Fire Safe Roofing Ordinances, with approximately SO cities in northern
California have done so. He said he was currently working with 20 cities in
the process of developing similar ordinances. Mr. Burns indicated that there
were pressure treated shake or shingle roofing materials available for use.
He said the spray-on fire retardancy applications have not been proven and had
not been not accepted by the Code. He referred to costs of fire retardant
roofs as outlined in a Sunset Magazine article. Mr. Burns said that although
insurance companies do not give a discount for fire retardant roofs, residents
in an area where the roofs are fire retardant may find that their costs will
not increase. Regarding aesthetics, Mr. Burns suggested that there were
several options available such as perlite, made of a pumice-stone material,
metal tile, which has a similar appearance to Spanish tile, and several other
types of roofs. Mr. Burns indicated that if structural reinforcement became
necessary for re-roofing projects, structural engineers were typicall~ on the
staffs of roofing companies to examine the houses to determine what would be
necessary to accommodate the heavier weights of fire safe roofing materials.
Harry Abney, Red Cedar Shingle & Handsplit Shake Bureau, said the Bureau was a
quality control organization. He discussed briefly the process by which mills
are inspected by the bureau. He stated that he works with building officials,
and those involved with building codes from the States of California, Nevada,
Utah and sometimes Idaho. He encouraged the Planning Commission to review
Mr. Taugher's comments as contained within the January 19, 1987, Staff Report.
He said the roofs which would be replaced have a 20 to 25 year history with no
problems. He referred to the chart shown as Attachment #8d of the Staff
Reports, and said the incident of fires has continually decreased. He said he
did not think there was any proof or any figures throughout the State which
would warrant adoption of a Fire Safe Roofing Ordinance.
Cm. Petty asked for clarification between the difference of a pressured
treated wood shake and a regular wood shake. Mr. Abney reviewed the process
used to pressure treat shakes and said the cost was approximately $30.00 per
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square (100 square feet). He said a procedure had been developed at Texas AM
which could be used to apply a fire retardant treatment to existing roofs, but
that the treatment must be repeated after exposure to over 30 i.nches of
rainfall. He said the approximate cost for such a treatment would be $6.00
per square. Mr. Abney suggested that the Fire Department publicize this
option and/or offer to make arrangements to treat the shake roofs in this
manner at at a nominal fee to the homeowners,
In response to an inquiry by Cm. Burnham, Mr. Abney indicated that the life
span of the shakes would not be decreased as a result of pressure treatment,
and may even be increased to a slight degree. He said the average life span
of a shake roof is between 15 and 30 years, depending on the pitch of the roof
and other factors. Mr. Abney stated that what is visible on the roof is
cosmetic in nature, and that it was the materials underneath the shingles that
actually protect the roof. He stated his opinion that wood remains the bast
roofing material available.
Mr. Abney distributed a copy of a letter written by Standard Pacific of San
Diego dated June 23, 1982, related to Assembly Bill 3797, which estimated
additional costs which could be incurred by homeowners if fire retardant roofs
were installed.
Mr. Burns advised that his Committee disagreed with the Standard Pacific
statistics distributed by Mr. Abney. Mr. Burns stated that the reporting
system relating to roof fires was not accurate as it referred only to the
primary place of origin of fires, but did not include the impact they had on
roofs.
Mr. Hathcox stated that often Ordinances were not pursued until after a fire
has occurred. He referred to the City of Pleasanton, which had two house
fires just prior to Livermore adopting its Ordinance. Mr. Hathcox said the
Fire Department is endorsing the proposed Ordinance.
In response to an inquiry by Mr. Tong, Mr. Abney compared the costs of the
treated and untreated shakes. An order of magnitude cost estimate for medium
weight cedar shakes would be $70 per square untreated versus $105 per square
Class C pressure treated.
Mr. Burns provided the Commission with a copy of the article from Sunset
Magazine which included a different cost breakdown.
Mr. Abney stated his disagreement with the figures provided by Sunset
Magazine.
Rick Wendling, 7194 Elk Court, said he thought the concern related to the
proposed Fire Safe Roofing Ordinance was one of risk management. He indicated
that the possibility of conflagration occurring in the western part of town
during the summer was greater than in the "flatlands". He advised that he did
not see merit in raising the requirements for reroofing in the flatlands
portion of the City.
Dan Rodriguez, Dublin resident, asked if the City had any restrictions on re-
roofing which pertain to a partial replacement of a roof, rather than the
entire roof. He also asked if anyone other than the Fire Department was
supporting the proposed Ordinance and stated that he had not heard any
concerns expressed by Dublin residents supporting the adoption of the proposed
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Ordinance. He said it may be feasible to require higher standards for new
developments, but that to impose a similar Ordinance on people living in the
flatlands may present a burden to those homeowners.
Mr. Tong indicated that the draft Ordinance, in its current form, would
provide that if, within a 12-month period, less than 1/4 of a roof was
replaced, materials similar to existing ones could be used. He said if,
within a 12-month period, 1/4 up to 1/2 of the roof was replaced, the new
roofing materials would have to be fire safe roofing. He also stated that if
1/2 or more of the roof was replaced within a 12 month period after completion
of a similar alteration, the entire roof would have to be replaced with fire
safe roofing materials. ,
In response to Mr. Rodriquez' earlier request, Mr. Tong stated that the City
Council had taken into consideration a request from the DSRSD Board of
Directors to consider the adoption of a Fire Safe Roofing Ordinance, and as a
result had directed the Planning Commission to study the pros and eons related
to such an Ordinance and to submit a recommendation to the City Council on the
feasibility of adopting the proposed Ordinance.
Mr. Rodriquez said that the Planning Comrnission should take into consideration
the lack of public interest in this issue. Mr. Tong confirmed that the
Planning Commission and City Council would take all public input into
consideration.
Mr. Taugher indicated that re-roofing is not a major problem, as asphalt
shingles are typically being used in the flatlands. He said that in the
western portion of the City, the roofs are probably tile and probably won't be
re-roofed.
Mr. Abney said that, if additional sheathing was needed for re-roofing, it
could add approximately $12.SO to $15.00 per square.
Mr. Taugher advised that the eurrent Building Code does not require a permit
for re-roofing dwellings. He said if the proposed Ordinance was adopted, it
would require additional inspections by the Building Inspector and would
necessitate additional permit fees.
In response to an inquiry by Cm. Mack, Mr. Abney stated that woad materials
are highly insulative. He stated that tile does not have a comparable
insulating quality and that asphalt also has very little insulative value. He
indicated that according to the State Bulletin, wood has about eight times the
insulative value of asphalt.
Mr. Burns stated that he ,did not believe the insulative values of the roofing
were pertinent issues.
Mr. Wendling expressed concern regarding increased costs if he were required
to re-roof with the fire safe materials, particularly if it became necessary
to re-insulate.
Maxine Jennings, Dublin resident, asked if there would be a public hearing
once the Planning Commission makes a recommendation to the City Council.
Mr. Gailey advised that another public hearing would be held by the Commission
if the Commission directed Staff to modify the proposed Ordinance and bring it
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back to them for further review. He also indicated that a public hearing
would be held by the City Council when the proposed Ordinance is brought to
the Council for consideration. Mr. Gailey requested that the representatives
of the local newspapers notify the public that copies of the draft Ordinance
would be available in the City Offices for review.
In response to an inquiry by Cm. Petty, Mr. Gailey indicated that the proposed
Ordinance would not impact schools as standards for schools are controlled by
the State.
Mr. Taugher discussed Building Code requirements and indicated that the
multi-family projects currently under construction were being built with tile
or asphalt shingle roofs.
In response to an inquiry by Mr. Rodriquez, Mr. Taugher indicated that perhaps
no building perrnit should be required for replacement of 25~ or less of a
roof. He stated that it may be advisable to include a statement to that
effect in the proposed Ordinance.
Cm. Barnes closed the public hearing.
Cm. Burnham said that he had polled about 1.00 residents when the proposed
Ordinance was first presented, and that approximately 60~ of the people he
polled stressed that they were opposed to the proposed Ordinance. He
indicated that their major concern was related to cost. Cm. Burnham stated
that he did not think all of the people should have to absorb the costs of
fire problems incurred by actions of a few negligent people. He said he
thought there were enough laws existing which would curb potential fire
hazards and that another law did not need to be instituted.
Cm. Petty advised that he would like to see the suggestions contained within
the January 8, 1987, Building Industry Association (BIA) letter implemented in
lieu of adoption of a Fire Safe Roofing -0rdinance.
Mr. Hathcox urged the Planning Commission to consider at the very least
requiring existing houses be re-roofed with at least the same level of
materials and that new construction to the west of the City require non-
combustible materials.
Cm. Mack stated that if an Ordinance was adopted, it should require that new
houses be required to utilize more fire retardant materials, but that those
re-roofing be permitted to utilize materials similar to the existing ones.
She also indicated a desire to have the suggestions made by the BIA
implemented.
In response to an inquiry by Cm. Burnham, Mr. Hathcox advised that the City
has an active weed abatement program. He discussed the procedures followed
and restrictions related to weed abatement. He said that the State will not
institute a weed abatement area within the State Responsibility Area.
Cm. Mack stated that she did not want to see a building permit required for
re-roofing less than 25~ of a house.
Cm. Petty said he concurred with the action taken by the City of Danville
regarding fire safe roofing materials.
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Cm. Barnes said she did not want to have a permit required if less than 25~ of
a house is being re-roofed. She also said she would like to have a public
education program implemented, and that she would like to see the BIA
recommendations acted upon.
Mr. Gailey asked for and received the following clarification:
- That re-roofing 25$ or less of a dwelling not require a building
permit: the Planning Commission indicated its consensus in support of
this approach.
- That re-roofing in the flatland areas be "in kind" or of a more fire
retardant nature: the Planning Commission indicated its consensus in
support of this approach.
- That in areas designated as "high fire hazard areas", roofing
materials of Level C or Level B or better shall be utilized for new
developments: the Planning Commission indicated its consensus in
support of this approach. (Mr. Gailey advised that Staff would have
to have an opportunity to meet further with the Fire Department to
establish the high fire hazard areas.}
- Requiring re-roofing in areas designated as fire hazardous to be of
Class C or better materials: the Planning Commission indicated its
consensus in support to this approach.
- Requiring smoke detectors and spark arrestors be installed in all new
houses, and educating the public on the care of them: the Planning
Commission indicated its consensus in support to this approach.
(Mr. Taugher advised that the difficulty with smoke detectors had been
virtually resolved, that construction over a value of $1,000 requires
installation of smoke detectors and that all new houses require smoke
detectors.)
Mr. Gailey advised that Staff could be in a position to present a modified
draft Fire Safe Roofing Ordinance at the Planning Gommission meeting of
February 17, 1987.
Cm. Barnes continued the public hearing until ~he Planning Comrnission meeting
of February 17, 1987.
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NEW BUSINESS OR UNFINISHED BUSINESS
None.
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OTHER BUSINESS
Mr. Tong indicated that at the previous City Gouncil meeting the City Gouncil
approved the revised Sign Ordinance which would permit the usage of two Free-
standing Signs on large parcels with two freeway frontages. Mr. Tong also
indicated that at the same meeting, the City Council denied the appeal by Pet
Prevent-A-Care. He stated that the appeal received by Admiral/LDM Moving
System was withdrawn prior to the City Council meeting and that the Planning
Commission action would stand.
In response to an inquiry by Cm. Petty, Mr. Tong said the next Institute of
the California League of Cities had been scheduled for March 11, 12 and 13,
1987, in Sacramento.
Cm. Mack asked about the status of the Service Station on the southwest corner
of Village Parkway. Mr. Gailey advised that preliminary inquiries had been
for strip retail/commercial uses.
In response to an inquiry by Cm. Mack, Mr. Tong stated that no application had
been submitted for the parcel behind the Town & Gountry Shopping Center,
although a meeting had been held regarding it.
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PLANNING COMMISSIONERS' CONCERNS
None.
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ADJOURNMENT
There being no further business, Cm. Petty moved, Cm. Burnham seconded, and by
a unaniomous vote, the meeting was adjourned at 9:30 p.m..
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Respectfully submitted,
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Planning Commission Ch ' person
Laurence L. Tong
Planning Director
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